Breakdown of Već danima dogovaramo vikend u Rijeci, ali se još ne možemo odlučiti za datum.
Questions & Answers about Već danima dogovaramo vikend u Rijeci, ali se još ne možemo odlučiti za datum.
What does već danima mean, and why is danima in that form?
Već danima means for days already or for several days now.
The form danima is the instrumental plural of dan. In Croatian, the instrumental plural is often used in time expressions to mean something like for days, for weeks, for years, and so on.
So:
- dan = day
- danima = for days / over a period of days
This is a very common pattern:
- tjednima = for weeks
- mjesecima = for months
- godinama = for years
The word već adds the sense of already.
Why is it dogovaramo, not dogovorimo?
Dogovaramo is the imperfective verb form, from dogovarati (se). It emphasizes an ongoing, repeated, or unfinished process.
Here the idea is that we have been arranging / discussing / trying to organize the weekend over a period of time, so the imperfective is the natural choice.
Compare:
- dogovaramo = we are arranging / we’ve been discussing
- dogovorimo = we agree / we settle it, usually perfective or in subordinate structures depending on context
In this sentence, the process is still continuing, so dogovaramo fits better than a completed-action form.
Does dogovaramo need se here? I often see dogovarati se.
Yes, many learners notice this. The verb often appears as dogovarati se, especially when people are discussing and agreeing among themselves.
However, in real usage, speakers may sometimes say dogovaramo vikend in a slightly shortened, more conversational way, especially when the object makes the meaning clear.
Still, the fuller version dogovaramo se oko vikenda or dogovaramo vikend can both appear depending on style and nuance.
Roughly:
- dogovarati se = to discuss/agree among ourselves
- dogovarati nešto = to arrange something
So this sentence is natural, even if learners may more often first meet the reflexive pattern.
Why is it u Rijeci and not u Rijeka?
After u meaning in, Croatian usually uses the locative case when talking about location.
So:
- Rijeka = nominative
- u Rijeci = in Rijeka
This is a regular case change. Many city names behave like this.
Examples:
- u Zagrebu = in Zagreb
- u Splitu = in Split
- u Rijeci = in Rijeka
So vikend u Rijeci means a weekend in Rijeka.
What exactly does vikend u Rijeci mean here?
It means a weekend in Rijeka or a weekend trip/stay in Rijeka.
Croatian often leaves certain details unstated if they are obvious from context. So dogovaramo vikend u Rijeci does not necessarily mean only the abstract idea of a weekend; it can mean:
- planning a weekend away in Rijeka
- arranging a visit to Rijeka for the weekend
- organizing a weekend there
English often needs a few more words, while Croatian can be more compact.
Why is the second part se još ne možemo odlučiti? What is going on with the word order?
This part can feel tricky because several small words cluster together.
Break it down:
So the whole phrase means we still can’t decide.
The word order follows normal Croatian clitic placement rules. Short unstressed words like se often come very early in the clause, usually in second position. That is why se appears before još ne možemo odlučiti.
English learners often want something more like još se ne možemo, but the Croatian order in this sentence is perfectly natural.
Why is it ne možemo odlučiti, with odlučiti in the infinitive?
Because moći means can / to be able to, and after modal verbs Croatian normally uses the infinitive.
So:
- možemo odlučiti = we can decide
- ne možemo odlučiti = we cannot decide
This works just like:
- mogu doći = I can come
- ne mogu naći = I can’t find
- možemo krenuti = we can leave/start
So odlučiti stays in the infinitive because it depends on možemo.
Why is there a se with odlučiti? Is odlučiti se different from odlučiti?
Yes, there is an important difference.
- odlučiti nešto = to decide something
- odlučiti se za nešto = to decide on something / to opt for something
In this sentence, the meaning is to decide on a date, so Croatian uses the reflexive pattern:
- odlučiti se za datum
The se is part of the verb expression here. It is not optional.
Examples:
- Odlučili smo datum. = We decided the date.
This is possible, but it sounds more like settling/fixing it directly. - Odlučili smo se za datum. = We decided on a date.
This focuses on choosing one option.
Why does Croatian use za datum?
The combination odlučiti se za + accusative means to decide on, to choose, or to opt for something.
So:
- za datum = on a date / for a date choice
This pattern is very common:
- odlučiti se za hotel = to decide on a hotel
- odlučiti se za putovanje u lipnju = to decide on a trip in June
- odlučiti se za plavu boju = to choose blue
Here datum is in the accusative, and for masculine inanimate nouns like datum, the accusative looks the same as the nominative.
Does još here mean still or yet?
It can be understood as either, depending on how you translate naturally into English.
In this sentence:
- još ne možemo odlučiti = we still can’t decide
- also naturally: we can’t decide yet
Croatian još often covers both ideas. The exact English wording depends on what sounds best in context.
What does datum mean here? Is it exactly the same as English date?
Can the whole sentence be translated literally word for word?
Not very naturally. A word-for-word version would sound awkward in English.
A more literal breakdown is:
- Već danima = already for days
- dogovaramo = we are arranging / discussing
- vikend u Rijeci = a weekend in Rijeka
- ali = but
- se još ne možemo odlučiti = we still cannot decide
- za datum = on a date
Natural English would be something like:
- We’ve been planning a weekend in Rijeka for days, but we still can’t decide on a date.
- For days now, we’ve been trying to arrange a weekend in Rijeka, but we still haven’t settled on a date.
So it is better to translate by meaning, not word by word.
Is this sentence using present tense to talk about something that started in the past?
Yes. Croatian often uses the present tense with expressions like već danima to describe something that started earlier and is still going on now.
So dogovaramo is present tense, but the meaning is:
- we have been arranging
- we’ve been discussing
- we’ve been trying to organize
English often uses the present perfect continuous, while Croatian simply uses the present tense plus a time expression.
That is a very common difference between the two languages.
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