Breakdown of U restoranu kod jezera čitamo meni s tradicionalnim jelima i tražimo recept za juhu.
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Croatian uses different cases after u depending on the meaning:
- Location (where something is) → u
- locative
- u restoranu = in the restaurant (we are already there)
- locative
- Direction (movement into something) → u
- accusative
- u restoran = into the restaurant (we are going there)
- accusative
In the sentence, the meaning is “in the restaurant by the lake”, so we need the locative:
restoran → (locative) restoranu after u.
- kod is a preposition that usually means “at / by / near (a place or person)”.
- It always takes the genitive case.
The noun:
- jezero (lake) – nominative (dictionary form)
- jezera – genitive singular
So:
- kod jezera literally = “at/by/near the lake”.
You can think of kod X as “at the place of X”:
- kod kuće – at home
- kod prijatelja – at a friend’s (place)
- kod jezera – by/at the lake
Here meni is a noun meaning “menu” (a restaurant menu), not the pronoun “to me”.
For this noun:
- Nominative: meni
- Accusative (direct object): meni (same form as nominative)
In čitamo meni:
- čitamo = we read / we are reading
- meni is the direct object, so it must be in the accusative.
Accusative of this noun is also meni, so:
- čitamo meni = we are reading the menu.
Meniju is the dative/locative form (to the menu / on the menu), which is not needed here.
Yes, meni can be:
A pronoun (dative of ja = I):
- meni = to me
- Example: Daj meni. = Give it to me.
A noun meaning “menu”:
- meni = menu (nominative or accusative)
- Example: čitamo meni = we read the menu
You tell the difference from:
- Context (restaurant vs talking about people)
- Role in the sentence:
- After verbs like give, tell, send it’s usually a pronoun: daj meni.
- As a direct object in a restaurant context, it’s the noun: čitamo meni.
In your sentence, the restaurant context makes it clearly the noun “menu”.
Yes, you can say:
- čitamo jelovnik – we are reading the menu
- čitamo meni – we are reading the menu
Both are correct.
Differences in usage:
- jelovnik – more native Slavic, a bit more formal or standard.
- meni – a loanword (from French menu), very common in everyday speech and in restaurants.
In practice, you’ll see both on signs and in speech.
Two things are happening:
Preposition + case
- s (with) in the sense “together with / accompanied by” takes the instrumental case.
- So the noun “dishes” must be in instrumental plural:
- jelo (dish) → jelima (instrumental plural)
Adjective–noun agreement
- Adjective tradicionalan (traditional) must agree with jelima:
- Instrumental plural (neuter) → tradicionalnim jelima
So:
- ✗ s tradicionalna jela – wrong case (that’s nominative/accusative)
- ✓ s tradicionalnim jelima – correct: “with traditional dishes”
Both s and sa mean “with” and take the instrumental case.
The difference is mostly phonetic (for easier pronunciation):
- Use sa:
- Before words starting with s, š, z, ž, or some consonant clusters:
- sa sestrom (with my sister)
- sa školom (with the school)
- Before words starting with s, š, z, ž, or some consonant clusters:
- Use s in most other cases:
- s prijateljem (with a friend)
- s tradicijom
In your sentence, both are possible:
- s tradicionalnim jelima – very natural
- sa tradicionalnim jelima – also acceptable (some speakers prefer it here)
It doesn’t change the meaning.
That’s just normal adjective–noun agreement for the instrumental plural:
- Noun: jelo (dish), neuter
- Instrumental plural: jelima
- Adjective: tradicionalan (traditional)
- Instrumental plural (for neuter plural noun): tradicionalnim
They must match in:
- Number: plural
- Case: instrumental
- Gender type: the adjective takes the pattern that fits a neuter plural noun
So:
- s tradicionalnim jelima = with traditional dishes
(literally: with traditional dishes-INSTR.PL)
Both structures exist, but the meanings feel slightly different:
recept za juhu
- za
- accusative (juhu) often means “for” (purpose/intended for).
- Very natural way to say “a recipe for soup”.
- Focus on purpose: “a recipe in order to make soup”.
- za
recept juhe
- juhe is genitive.
- Literally “the recipe of (the) soup”.
- More likely used when a specific soup is clearly known from context; less common in everyday speech than recept za juhu.
In most learner contexts, recept za juhu is the safest and most idiomatic for “recipe for soup”.
The noun juha (soup) is feminine:
- Nominative: juha – soup (dictionary form)
- Genitive: juhe – of soup
- Accusative: juhu – soup as a direct object
The preposition za (“for” when it means purpose) takes the accusative:
- za juhu = for soup
So:
- juha – subject: Juha je vruća. (The soup is hot.)
- juhu – after za, or as a direct object: Kuham juhu. (I’m cooking soup.)
- juhe – after some other prepositions or to show possession: bez juhe (without soup).
Both can appear in a restaurant context, but they emphasize different actions:
tražiti = to look for / to search for / to demand
- tražimo recept za juhu:
- We are looking for a soup recipe (maybe in the menu, online, etc.)
- Could also mean we are asking for it, depending on context.
- tražimo recept za juhu:
pitati = to ask (someone a question)
- pitamo za recept za juhu:
- We ask (someone) for the soup recipe.
- There is clearly a person being asked, even if not named.
- pitamo za recept za juhu:
So:
- If the focus is on searching (in a book, on a page), use tražiti.
- If the focus is on asking someone, use pitati.
Croatian is a pro‑drop language: subject pronouns are often omitted because the verb endings already show the person and number.
Verb forms:
- čitamo – 1st person plural → we read / we are reading
- tražimo – 1st person plural → we look for / we are looking for
So:
- U restoranu kod jezera čitamo meni… already means “In the restaurant by the lake, we are reading the menu…”.
You only add mi (“we”) for emphasis or contrast:
- Mi čitamo meni, a oni piju vino.
We are reading the menu, but they are drinking wine.
Croatian present tense covers both English present simple and present continuous:
- čitamo can mean:
- we read (regularly)
- we are reading (right now)
- tražimo can mean:
- we look for / we search for (generally)
- we are looking for (right now)
The exact meaning is taken from context.
To emphasize a finished action, you usually switch to a perfective verb in the past:
- Pročitali smo meni. – We (have) read the menu (finished).
- Pronašli smo recept za juhu. – We (have) found the recipe for soup.
Yes, Croatian word order is fairly flexible, especially with adverbial phrases (time/place).
All of these are grammatically correct and mean essentially the same:
- U restoranu kod jezera čitamo meni…
- Kod jezera u restoranu čitamo meni…
- Čitamo meni u restoranu kod jezera…
Differences are mostly in emphasis and rhythm:
- Starting with U restoranu… slightly emphasizes the restaurant.
- Starting with Kod jezera… slightly emphasizes the location by the lake.
The basic meaning “In the restaurant by the lake, we are reading the menu…” stays the same.
Croatian has no articles (a, an, the). The sentence u restoranu can correspond to either:
- in a restaurant, or
- in the restaurant,
depending on context:
- If it’s the first time mentioning it, English might translate it with “a restaurant”.
- If the speakers already know which restaurant is meant, English might use “the restaurant”.
Croatian relies on:
- Context
- Word order
- Sometimes additional phrases (onaj restoran, that restaurant)
to clarify if something is specific or not, instead of articles.