Questions & Answers about Perdemo-nos no vale.
What verb is being used in perdemo-nos?
It comes from perder-se.
- perder = to lose
- perder-se = to get lost
So in this sentence, nos is the reflexive pronoun for we/us, and perdemo-nos means we got lost or, more literally, we lost ourselves.
Why is nos attached to the verb with a hyphen?
Why is it perdemo-nos and not perdemos-nos?
This is a very common spelling pattern in Portuguese.
The verb form is originally perdemos. When -nos or -vos is attached to a verb form ending in -s, that final -s drops:
- perdemos + nos → perdemo-nos
- levantamos + nos → levantamo-nos
So perdemo-nos is the expected written form.
Is perdemo-nos definitely past tense?
Not by form alone.
For nós, the form perdemos can be:
- present indicative: we lose
- preterite / simple past: we lost
After adding the pronoun, both become perdemo-nos. So the sentence can be ambiguous without context.
In real use, context tells you which one it is. In a narrative, it will very often mean we got lost.
Could I also say nos perdemos no vale?
In European Portuguese, not as the normal neutral version of this sentence.
A simple affirmative clause usually prefers enclisis, so:
Perdemo-nos no vale.
is the standard choice.
Nos perdemos no vale sounds more natural in Brazilian Portuguese, or it may sound marked/unusual in European Portuguese.
In European Portuguese, pronouns do come before the verb in certain environments, such as:
So the position of the pronoun depends on the structure of the sentence.
What does no mean here?
No is a contraction of:
So:
no vale = in the valley
This kind of contraction is extremely common in Portuguese:
- em + o → no
- em + a → na
- em + os → nos
- em + as → nas
Why is it o vale? How do I know vale is masculine?
Why is there no nós in the sentence?
Because Portuguese often leaves out subject pronouns when the verb form already makes the subject clear.
Here, perdemo-nos already shows first person plural: we.
So:
- Perdemo-nos no vale.
- Nós perdemo-nos no vale.
Both are possible, but the version without nós is more natural unless you want emphasis or contrast:
Nós perdemo-nos, eles não.
Would num vale mean something different from no vale?
Yes.
- no vale = in the valley → a specific valley
- num vale = in a valley → an unspecified valley
So the article changes how specific the place is.
How is Perdemo-nos no vale pronounced in European Portuguese?
A rough English-style approximation is:
puhr-DEH-moo-noosh noo VAH-luh
A few useful pronunciation points:
- unstressed o often sounds like u
- final -s often sounds like sh in European Portuguese
- the final -e in vale is very weak, something like uh
So no sounds close to nu, and nos at the end sounds close to noosh.
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