Breakdown of Päivän hälinä unohtuu, kun istumme sohvalle juttelemaan läheisten kanssa.
Questions & Answers about Päivän hälinä unohtuu, kun istumme sohvalle juttelemaan läheisten kanssa.
Päivän is in the genitive singular (from päivä, “day”).
Here it’s an attributive genitive, a very common way in Finnish to say “X’s Y” or “the Y of X”.
So:
- päivän hälinä ≈ “the day’s hustle and bustle / the bustle of the day”
Structurally, hälinä is the grammatical subject, and päivän just specifies which hälinä.
Hälinä is “hubbub, bustle, noisy activity” – it often suggests a mixture of noise + movement + busyness (people talking, moving around, things happening).
Melu is more neutral “noise” or “loud sound”, and doesn’t necessarily imply busyness. Examples:
- liikenteen melu – traffic noise (just sound)
- torin hälinä – the bustle/hubbub of the market (people, movement, sound together)
In the sentence, päivän hälinä is “the day’s hustle and bustle”, not just literal loud noise.
There are two different verbs:
- unohtaa = to forget (transitive: someone forgets something)
- unohdamme hälinän – “we forget the bustle”
- unohtua = to be forgotten, to fade from one’s mind (intransitive: something gets forgotten, often “by itself”)
- hälinä unohtuu – “the bustle is (gets) forgotten / fades away”
In the sentence, the idea is that the day’s hustle and bustle naturally fades away when we sit on the sofa; no one is actively, deliberately “forgetting” it. That’s why unohtua is used:
- Päivän hälinä unohtuu... = “The day’s bustle just fades from our mind...”
No.
Unohtuu is:
- 3rd person singular, present tense
- of the intransitive verb unohtua
Finnish passive (also called “impersonal”) for “forget” would be:
- unohdetaan – “(people) forget”, “one forgets”
So:
- hälinä unohtuu – “the bustle is forgotten / fades away” (it happens to it)
- hälinä unohdetaan – “the bustle is forgotten (by people)” (impersonal passive of unohtaa)
The sentence uses unohtuu to sound more natural and less agent-focused.
In Finnish, you normally put a comma between a main clause and a subordinate clause, even if the order is main → subordinate (unlike English, which often omits it).
- Päivän hälinä unohtuu, kun istumme sohvalle juttelemaan...
Main clause: Päivän hälinä unohtuu
Subordinate clause: kun istumme sohvalle juttelemaan...
If you reverse the order, you still use a comma:
- Kun istumme sohvalle juttelemaan läheisten kanssa, päivän hälinä unohtuu.
Here kun is a subordinating conjunction meaning “when” in the sense of “at the time that / whenever”.
- kun istumme sohvalle – “when(ever) we sit down on the sofa”
Milloin is a question word:
- Milloin istutte sohvalle? – “When do you (pl.) sit on the sofa?”
You don’t use milloin to introduce a normal “when”-clause like this; you use kun.
This is a case difference:
- sohvalle – allative: “onto the sofa / to the sofa” (movement towards/onto a surface)
- sohvalla – adessive: “on the sofa” (location on a surface, staying there)
Istua + allative expresses the act of sitting down (onto something):
- istua tuolille – to sit down on a chair
- istua lattialle – to sit down on the floor
- istua sohvalle – to sit down on the sofa
So istumme sohvalle is “we sit down on the sofa”, focusing on the movement.
If you said istumme sohvalla, it would mean “we (are) sit(ting) on the sofa”, more about the state of already being seated, not the act of sitting down.
Juttelemaan is the 3rd infinitive, illative form of jutella (to chat).
The pattern is:
- verb of movement/position + -maan / -mään form
→ expresses purpose (“in order to do X”)
So:
- istua sohvalle juttelemaan
literally: “to sit onto the sofa to-chat”
= “to sit down on the sofa in order to chat”
Using just istumme sohvalle jutella is ungrammatical in standard Finnish. For purpose after verbs like mennä, tulla, jäädä, istua etc., you use this -maan / -mään form:
- mennä nukkumaan – go to sleep
- tulla syömään – come to eat
- jäädä juttelemaan – stay to chat
- istua sohvalle juttelemaan – sit down on the sofa to chat
It’s part of a broader pattern:
[verb of movement/position] + [place (often illative/allative)] + [3rd infinitive in -maan / -mään]
This pattern expresses going/coming/sitting/etc. somewhere in order to do something:
- mennä kirjastoon lukemaan – go to the library to read
- tulla meille syömään – come to our place to eat
- jäädä kotiin lepäämään – stay home to rest
- istua pöydän ääreen syömään – sit down at the table to eat
- istua sohvalle juttelemaan – sit down on the sofa to chat
So istua sohvalle juttelemaan fits this general “purpose of movement/position” construction.
The base word is läheinen:
- as an adjective: “close, near”
- as a noun: “a close person, loved one, close relative/friend”
Läheiset (nominative plural) ≈ “close ones / loved ones”.
Läheisten is the genitive plural, “of (the) close ones / of loved ones”.
Here it appears before kanssa, which requires the genitive:
- läheisten kanssa – “with (our/the) loved ones”
- structurally: “with the close ones”
Kanssa is a postposition meaning “with”, and it regularly takes the genitive:
- ystävä → ystävän kanssa – with a friend
- lapset → lasten kanssa – with (the) children
- läheiset → läheisten kanssa – with loved ones
So läheisten is in the genitive plural because kanssa almost always appears as:
[genitive noun/pronoun] + kanssa
Yes, you can say kun me istumme sohvalle, and it is grammatically correct.
In Finnish, subject pronouns (minä, sinä, me, te, etc.) are often omitted, because the verb ending already shows the person and number:
- istumme already means “we sit / we are sitting”
Adding me usually:
- adds a bit of emphasis on “we” (as opposed to someone else), or
- makes the style slightly more spoken/informal or explicit.
So:
- kun istumme sohvalle – neutral “when we sit down on the sofa”
- kun me istumme sohvalle – “when we sit down on the sofa” (slight emphasis on we)