Questions & Answers about Det var et patetisk forsøk.
What does det do here, and can it be omitted?
Det is the subject of the sentence. In a sentence like this, it often works like English it in It was a pathetic attempt.
Norwegian usually requires an explicit subject in a normal finite clause, so you generally cannot just omit det here.
Depending on context, det can either:
- refer back to something already mentioned, or
- act as a more general it when making a statement.
So Det var et patetisk forsøk is a very normal, complete sentence.
Why is it var and not er?
Var is the past tense of å være (to be).
So:
- er = is / am / are
- var = was / were
That means the sentence is talking about something in the past.
Compare:
- Det er et patetisk forsøk. = It is a pathetic attempt.
- Det var et patetisk forsøk. = It was a pathetic attempt.
Why is it et and not en?
Because forsøk is a neuter noun in Norwegian.
Norwegian indefinite articles must match the noun’s grammatical gender:
- en for common gender
- et for neuter
So:
- et forsøk = an attempt
You have to learn nouns together with their article when possible:
- et forsøk
- et hus
- en bil
Using en here would be incorrect: en forsøk is not standard Norwegian.
Why is it patetisk and not patetiskt?
This is a very common learner question.
Normally, an adjective before a neuter singular noun often gets -t:
So you might expect something like patetiskt. But adjectives ending in -isk usually do not add an extra -t in standard Bokmål.
That is why you get:
- et patetisk forsøk
- et fantastisk sted
- et typisk problem
So patetisk stays patetisk, even though forsøk is neuter.
What is the grammatical structure of et patetisk forsøk?
It is a noun phrase:
- et = indefinite article
- patetisk = adjective
- forsøk = noun
So the pattern is:
article + adjective + noun
This is the same basic order as in English:
- a pathetic attempt
- et patetisk forsøk
The adjective comes before the noun when it directly describes it.
Could I also say Forsøket var patetisk?
Yes, absolutely.
Forsøket var patetisk means The attempt was pathetic.
The difference is:
- Det var et patetisk forsøk. = It was a pathetic attempt.
- Forsøket var patetisk. = The attempt was pathetic.
So the original sentence uses an indefinite noun phrase (et forsøk), while this version uses the definite form (forsøket).
Also notice that in Forsøket var patetisk, the adjective is now after the verb and functions as a predicate adjective. It still stays patetisk.
How would the definite form of forsøk work?
Here are the main forms:
- et forsøk = an attempt
- forsøket = the attempt
- forsøk = attempts
- forsøkene = the attempts
If you add a definite adjective phrase, you get:
- det patetiske forsøket = the pathetic attempt
Notice that in the definite phrase:
- you use det
- the adjective becomes patetiske
- the noun becomes forsøket
So Norwegian definite noun phrases with adjectives are a bit more complex than the indefinite form.
Is patetisk used the same way as English pathetic?
Usually, yes — it is very close in meaning and tone.
Patetisk can describe something as:
- pitiful
- weak
- embarrassing
- laughably bad
It often sounds clearly negative, just like English pathetic. In many situations it can sound quite harsh or insulting.
So if you use patetisk about a person’s effort, behavior, or excuse, it usually carries a strong judgment.
Can this sentence mean both it was and that was?
Yes, depending on context.
Det can correspond to both it and that in English. Norwegian does not always make that distinction the same way English does.
So:
- if you are making a general comment, Det var et patetisk forsøk may feel like It was a pathetic attempt
- if you are reacting to something just mentioned or just seen, it may feel closer to That was a pathetic attempt
The exact English choice depends on the situation, not just the Norwegian words by themselves.
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