Breakdown of Pater idem dicit quod mater dicit.
Questions & Answers about Pater idem dicit quod mater dicit.
Yes. Here idem means the same thing.
A very common first reaction is to assume it describes pater, as if it meant the same father, but that is not what is happening here. In this sentence, idem is the direct object of dicit, so it means the same thing.
So the structure is:
- Pater = the father
- idem = the same thing
- dicit = says
So: Father says the same thing ...
Because the form idem can represent more than one grammatical possibility.
Here it is best understood as neuter singular accusative, meaning the same thing. That is the form Latin uses because it is the object of dicit.
It just happens that idem is also the form for masculine nominative singular. So the form looks ambiguous by itself, but the sentence makes the function clear.
In other words:
- pater is the subject
- idem is the object
So idem does not agree with pater here.