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What does ortak giderler mean, and how is it built?
Ortak giderler means shared/common expenses.
It is made of:
- ortak = common, shared
- gider = expense, cost
- giderler = expenses, costs
So ortak giderler is literally common expenses or shared expenses.
In contexts like apartment buildings or housing complexes, this often refers to things like:
- maintenance costs
- cleaning fees
- elevator costs
- building management expenses
What does arsa payı mean?
Arsa payı is a fixed expression in Turkish property/apartment law.
- arsa = land, plot
- pay = share, portion
- arsa payı = land share / ownership share in the land
In apartment ownership, each flat may have an official arsa payı, which is its proportional share of the land the building stands on. Certain common expenses are calculated based on that share.
So this is not just any random share of land phrase; it is a common legal/property term.
Why is it arsa payına and not just arsa payı?
Because the postposition göre requires the word before it to be in the dative case.
So:
- arsa payı = land share
- arsa payına = according to the land share / based on the land share
Here is the breakdown:
- payı already contains the 3rd person possessive ending, because arsa payı is a noun compound
- then the dative ending -a / -e is added
- because the word already ends in a vowel-like possessive form, Turkish inserts a buffer n
- so: payı + na → payına
That is why you get arsa payına göre = according to the land share
Why does göre take this form? What exactly does göre mean?
Göre usually means:
- according to
- in accordance with
- based on
- compared to
It normally follows a noun or pronoun in the dative case.
Examples:
- bana göre = according to me / in my opinion
- yasaya göre = according to the law
- duruma göre = depending on the situation
- arsa payına göre = according to the land share
So in your sentence, arsa payına göre tells you the basis used for determining the expenses.
Why is belirleniyor used here? What form is it?
Belirleniyor is from the verb belirlemek = to determine, to set, to define.
Here it is in a passive form:
- belirlemek = to determine something
- belirlenmek = to be determined
Then it is conjugated in the present continuous / non-past:
- belirleniyor = is being determined / gets determined / are determined
Since the subject is plural (giderler), English uses are determined, but Turkish often keeps the verb in 3rd person singular when the subject is plural, especially when the subject comes before the verb. So giderler belirleniyor is completely normal.
Why is the passive used instead of saying who determines the expenses?
Turkish often uses the passive when the doer is:
- unknown
- unimportant
- obvious from context
- intentionally left unstated
So Bazı ortak giderler arsa payına göre belirleniyor focuses on the rule or process, not on the person or institution doing it.
It is similar to English:
- Some common expenses are determined according to the land share
If you wanted to name the doer, Turkish could use an active sentence, for example:
- Yönetim bazı ortak giderleri arsa payına göre belirliyor. = The management determines some common expenses according to the land share.
Why is -yor used if this sounds like a general rule, not something happening right now?
This is a very common point for English speakers.
The Turkish -yor form does not only mean right now. It can also describe:
- current situations
- regular practices
- ongoing systems
- general procedures
So here belirleniyor can mean something like:
- are determined
- are being determined
- get determined
In formal or explanatory statements, Turkish often uses -yor where English would use a simple present.
So this sentence is not necessarily about something happening at this exact moment; it can describe a standing rule.
Why is bazı followed by a plural noun here?
Bazı means some.
In Turkish, after words like bazı, the noun is often plural when talking about countable things:
- bazı insanlar = some people
- bazı kitaplar = some books
- bazı giderler = some expenses
So bazı ortak giderler is perfectly normal.
English speakers sometimes expect Turkish to avoid plurals after quantifiers because that happens with some numbers:
- üç kitap = three books, not üç kitaplar
But bazı behaves differently from numerals. With bazı, plural marking is very common and natural.
What is the basic word order of this sentence?
The sentence is:
Bazı ortak giderler arsa payına göre belirleniyor.
A natural breakdown is:
- Bazı ortak giderler = some common expenses
- arsa payına göre = according to the land share
- belirleniyor = are determined
So the structure is basically:
Subject + adverbial phrase + verb
This is very normal Turkish word order, since Turkish usually places the verb at the end.
You could think of it as:
- Some common expenses / according to the land share / are determined.
That sounds odd in English, but it is natural in Turkish.
Why is there no article like the or a in Turkish here?
Turkish does not have articles like English a/an and the.
So whether something is definite or indefinite is understood from:
- context
- word order
- case marking
- words like bazı
Here, bazı already tells you the meaning is some:
- Bazı ortak giderler = some common expenses
So Turkish does not need a separate word for some plus an article.
Could this sentence also be translated as based on the land share instead of according to the land share?
Yes. In this sentence, göre can often be translated in several natural ways, depending on context:
- according to the land share
- based on the land share
- in proportion to the land share
The most natural English choice depends on the exact legal or financial context. If the idea is proportional calculation, in proportion to may even be the clearest translation.
So learners should not assume there is only one fixed English equivalent for göre.
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