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Why is it fiberduken and not fiberduk?
Because fiberduken is the definite singular form: the fiber cloth / the row cover.
- en fiberduk = a fiber cloth / a row cover
- fiberduken = the fiber cloth / the row cover
In Norwegian, definiteness is often added as an ending on the noun:
- en plante = a plant
- planten = the plant
So Vi brukte fiberduken means We used the fiber cloth / the row cover, referring to a specific one that is known from the context.
What does brukte mean here, and what tense is it?
Brukte is the preterite (simple past) of å bruke = to use.
- jeg bruker = I use / am using
- jeg brukte = I used
So:
- Vi brukte fiberduken = We used the row cover
The sentence is talking about something that happened in the past, so the simple past is natural here.
What does selv når mean?
Selv når means even when.
It adds emphasis and shows that something was true despite a condition or stage where you might expect otherwise.
So in this sentence:
- Vi brukte fiberduken selv når plantene var herdet
- We used the row cover even when the plants were hardened off
The idea is: using the fiber cloth continued even at a point when someone might think it was no longer necessary.
Why is it når and not da?
This is a very common question.
In Norwegian:
- når is often used for general, repeated, or less specific "when"
- da is used for one specific occasion in the past
Examples:
- Når jeg er trøtt, drikker jeg kaffe.
When I am tired, I drink coffee. - Da jeg kom hjem, var det mørkt.
When I came home, it was dark.
In your sentence, selv når plantene var herdet is not mainly pointing to one single dramatic moment. It refers more to the stage/condition when the plants were hardened off. That is why når works well.
A learner should also know that in real Norwegian, the line between når and da is not always perfectly simple in every context, but the basic rule above is the one to remember.
What is var herdet grammatically?
Var herdet is:
- var = past tense of å være (to be)
- herdet = past participle of å herde (to harden)
Together, var herdet can mean something like:
- was hardened
- had been hardened off
- was in a hardened/hardened-off state
In gardening contexts, herdet often refers to plants being hardened off, meaning they have been gradually adapted to outdoor conditions.
So this is not just a literal made hard. In context, it is a standard gardening idea.
Does herdet mean the same as hardy?
Not exactly.
- herdet usually means hardened or hardened off
- hardy in English often means naturally able to survive cold or difficult conditions
So:
- plantene var herdet = the plants had been hardened off / were acclimatized
- hardføre planter would be closer to hardy plants
That is an important difference. Herdet often describes a process the plants have gone through, not just an inborn quality.
Why is the word order plantene var herdet and not something like var plantene herdet?
Because this is a subordinate clause introduced by når.
In Norwegian subordinate clauses, the normal order is:
subject + verb
So:
- når plantene var herdet
not:
- når var plantene herdet
This is different from main clauses, where Norwegian often uses verb-second (V2) word order.
Compare:
- Plantene var herdet. = main clause
- ... når plantene var herdet. = subordinate clause
This is a very important pattern in Norwegian grammar.
Could you say selv om plantene var herdet instead?
Yes, you possibly could, but the meaning shifts slightly.
- selv når = even when
- selv om = even though / although
So:
- selv når plantene var herdet focuses on the time/stage/condition
- selv om plantene var herdet focuses more on contrast
In practice, both can sound natural depending on context, but they are not identical.
Here, selv når suggests: at the stage when the plants had already been hardened off, we still used the row cover
While selv om would suggest: despite the fact that the plants were hardened off, we still used the row cover
Why is it Vi brukte ... and not Vi brukte ikke ... if the plants were already hardened?
This is more about meaning and emphasis than grammar.
The sentence is highlighting that they continued using the fiber cloth even after the plants had reached a stage where you might expect it to stop being necessary.
So the point is:
- We used it anyway
- We still used it
- Even then, we used it
That is exactly why selv når is there: it creates a contrast with the listener's expectation.
Is fiberduk a common word, and what kind of thing is it?
Yes, fiberduk is a real and common gardening/agricultural word in Norwegian.
In this context, it usually means a light protective fabric placed over plants, often called things like:
- row cover
- garden fleece
- horticultural fleece
It helps protect plants from:
- cold
- wind
- insects
- harsh weather
So fiberduken in this sentence is not just any random cloth. It is a specific type of protective gardening material.
Can this sentence imply repeated action, or only one past situation?
It can often suggest a general past practice, not just one single event.
- Vi brukte fiberduken ... can mean we used the row cover
- depending on context, it may also imply we would use the row cover / we used to use the row cover
Because of the combination of past tense and når, many readers may understand it as describing what they did in that kind of situation.
So the sentence could describe:
- one specific past case, or
- a general gardening practice in the past
The wider context would decide that more clearly.
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