Breakdown of Ni kolektis tiom da metalo kiom da vitro.
Questions & Answers about Ni kolektis tiom da metalo kiom da vitro.
What does tiom ... kiom ... mean in this sentence?
It is a comparison of quantity.
- tiom = that much / so much
- kiom = as much as / how much
So tiom da metalo kiom da vitro means as much metal as glass.
This pattern is very common in Esperanto:
- tiom ... kiom ... = as much/many ... as ...
- tiel ... kiel ... = as ... as for manner or degree
- same ... kiel is not the normal pattern here
In this sentence, the speaker is comparing the amount of metal collected with the amount of glass collected.
Why is da used twice?
Because both parts of the comparison express an amount of a substance.
- tiom da metalo = that much metal
- kiom da vitro = as much glass
In Esperanto, da is used after words of quantity when you mean an amount of something:
- multe da akvo = a lot of water
- iom da tempo = some time
- tiom da metalo = that much metal
Since both halves of the comparison involve quantity, both need da.
Why are metalo and vitro singular?
Because here they are being treated as mass nouns, like metal and glass in English.
When you talk about a substance in general, Esperanto often uses the singular:
- akvo = water
- sablo = sand
- metalo = metal
- vitro = glass
So tiom da metalo does not mean one metal object. It means that amount of metal as a material.
If you wanted to talk about separate items, you would normally use a countable noun instead.
Why is there no -n on metalo or vitro, even though the phrase is the object of kolektis?
Because after da, the noun normally stays in its basic form.
In tiom da metalo, the noun metalo is part of a quantity expression. The same is true for vitro in kiom da vitro. The whole phrase functions as the object, but the noun after da itself does not take -n.
So this is normal:
- Ni kolektis tiom da metalo...
- not Ni kolektis tiom da metalon...
This is one of the important things to remember about da phrases in Esperanto.
What tense is kolektis?
kolektis is past tense.
The ending -is always marks the past tense in Esperanto.
So:
- kolektas = collect / are collecting
- kolektis = collected
- kolektos = will collect
Here Ni kolektis means We collected.
Is kiom here a question word?
No. Here kiom is not asking a question.
Esperanto words like kiom can appear both in questions and in comparisons.
For example:
Kiom da akvo vi trinkis? = How much water did you drink?
Here it is a question.Mi trinkis tiom da akvo kiom vi. = I drank as much water as you.
Here it introduces the second half of a comparison.
So in your sentence, kiom means as much as, not how much?
Could there be a comma before kiom?
Yes, you may sometimes see a comma there, but it is often omitted in a short sentence like this.
So both of these are possible:
- Ni kolektis tiom da metalo kiom da vitro.
- Ni kolektis tiom da metalo, kiom da vitro.
The version without the comma is very natural, especially when the comparison is short and closely connected.
Why is it tiom ... kiom ..., not tiel ... kiel ...?
Because this sentence compares quantity, not manner or quality.
Use:
- tiom ... kiom ... for amount or number
- tiel ... kiel ... for the way something is done, or for degree in a different sense
Examples:
- Mi havas tiom da mono kiom vi. = I have as much money as you.
- Li kantas tiel bone kiel ŝi. = He sings as well as she does.
Since metal and glass are being compared by amount, tiom ... kiom ... is the right pattern.
Does vitro mean the material glass, or could it mean a drinking glass?
Here it means the material glass.
That is an important vocabulary point:
- vitro = glass as a material
- glaso = a glass, drinking glass, tumbler
So:
- da vitro = of glass
- du glasoj = two glasses
In your sentence, vitro clearly means the substance collected, not cups or drinking glasses.
Could the word order be changed?
Yes, Esperanto word order is fairly flexible, though the original version is the most straightforward.
For example, you could also say:
- Tiom da metalo kiom da vitro ni kolektis.
That still means the same thing, but it sounds more marked because the quantity comparison is moved to the front.
The basic order:
- Ni = subject
- kolektis = verb
- tiom da metalo kiom da vitro = object/comparison phrase
is the clearest and most neutral.
Would de work instead of da?
No, not here.
After a quantity word like tiom, Esperanto normally uses da, not de, when talking about an amount of something.
So you say:
- tiom da metalo
- multe da akvo
- iom da tempo
not:
- tiom de metalo
Very roughly:
- da is used for quantity expressions
- de has many other meanings, such as of, from, by
So in this sentence, da is the correct choice.
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