Wir finden das Angebot fair.

We find the offer fair.

Breakdown of Wir finden das Angebot fair.

• wir: we
• finden: to find
• das Angebot: the offer
• fair: fair

Questions & Answers about Wir finden das Angebot fair.

Why is finden used here instead of denken or glauben?

In this sentence, finden means to consider / to think (something is…). It is very common in German to express opinions about qualities:

• Wir finden das Angebot fair. – We think the offer is fair. / We consider the offer fair.

You cannot use denken in the same structure:

• ❌ Wir denken das Angebot fair. (wrong)
• ✅ Wir denken, dass das Angebot fair ist.

denken usually introduces a clause (with dass or a question word) rather than taking an object + adjective.

glauben is more about believing something to be true, often with a clause as well:

• ✅ Wir glauben, dass das Angebot fair ist.
• ✅ Wir glauben dem Verkäufer. – We believe the seller.
• ❌ Wir glauben das Angebot fair. (wrong)

So for giving an opinion about how you judge something (good, bad, fair, expensive, etc.), finden is the natural choice.

What case is das Angebot in, and how can I tell?

das Angebot is in the accusative case.

You can tell because:

• Wir is the subject (who is doing the action) → nominative.
• finden is a transitive verb (it takes a direct object).
• The thing that is being "found" is das Angebot → direct object → accusative.

So the case pattern is:

• Wir (nominative subject)
• finden (verb)
• das Angebot (accusative object)
• fair (predicative complement describing das Angebot)

Why is it das Angebot and not den Angebot or dem Angebot?

Because Angebot is a neuter noun in German: das Angebot (neuter, singular).

The definite articles for neuter singular are:

• Nominative: das
• Accusative: das
• Dative: dem
• Genitive: des

Here, since Angebot is the direct object (accusative), the article stays das.

• Wir finden das Angebot fair. (accusative, neuter → das)
• If it were masculine, it would be:
  • Wir finden den Preis fair. – Preis is masculine → accusative den.

What exactly is fair grammatically, and why doesn’t it change its ending?

fair is an adjective used predicatively here. It describes the state/quality of the object das Angebot.

Predicative adjectives in German:

• come after a verb like sein, werden, bleiben, finden, halten (für), etc.
• do not take adjective endings.

Examples:

• Das Angebot ist fair.
• Wir finden das Angebot fair.
• Wir halten das Angebot für fair.

In all these, fair stays in its base form. Adjective endings are used in attributive position (directly before a noun):

• ein faires Angebot
• das faire Angebot
• kein faires Angebot

Why is there no ist in Wir finden das Angebot fair?

The structure finden + object + adjective already means to find something (to be) + adjective.

It is very similar to English "We find the offer fair." – there is no is there either.

So:

• Wir finden das Angebot fair. ≈ Wir finden, dass das Angebot fair ist. ≈ We think that the offer is fair.

The verb ist appears only if you use a full dass-clause:

• Wir finden, dass das Angebot fair ist.

Can I also say Wir finden, dass das Angebot fair ist? Is there a difference?

Yes, that sentence is correct, and the meaning is basically the same:

• Wir finden das Angebot fair.
• Wir finden, dass das Angebot fair ist.

Differences:

• Wir finden das Angebot fair.
  • Slightly shorter, more direct.
  • Very natural in spoken German.
• Wir finden, dass das Angebot fair ist.
  • A bit more explicit and slightly more formal or careful.
  • Grammatically closer to English "We think that the offer is fair."

In everyday conversation, both are common; the shorter version with finden + object + adjective is extremely frequent.

Can I change the word order, for example: Das Angebot finden wir fair?

Yes. German word order is flexible as long as the finite verb stays in second position in main clauses.

These sentences are all correct and mean the same, but differ in emphasis:

• Wir finden das Angebot fair. – neutral emphasis on wir.
• Das Angebot finden wir fair. – puts focus on das Angebot (as opposed to something else).
• Fair finden wir das Angebot. – emphasizes fair (e.g. maybe something else about it is not good).

In all versions:

• the verb (finden) is in 2nd position,
• wir stays the subject,
• das Angebot stays the direct object,
• fair remains the adjective describing das Angebot.

Can I drop the article and say Wir finden Angebot fair?

No, not in normal standard German. You generally need an article with Angebot in this kind of sentence:

• ✅ Wir finden das Angebot fair.
• ❌ Wir finden Angebot fair.

You could omit the article only in some set expressions or headline-style language, but not in regular sentences. In normal speech and writing, use ein Angebot, das Angebot, dieses Angebot, etc., depending on what you want to say.

What is the difference between Angebot and Angebote?

• Angebot (singular) = offer or special offer.
  • Das Angebot ist fair. – The offer is fair.
• Angebote (plural) = offers.
  • Wir finden die Angebote fair. – We think the offers are fair.

You also see Angebot a lot in shop contexts:

• im Angebot – on special offer / on sale
  • Die Äpfel sind diese Woche im Angebot. – The apples are on special offer this week.

When should I use fair instead of other words like gerecht or billig?

• fair – fair, reasonable, not exploiting anyone. Often about prices, deals, behavior, rules:

  • Wir finden das Angebot fair. – We think the offer is fair.
  • Das ist kein fairer Vertrag. – That’s not a fair contract.

• gerecht – just, righteous, in line with justice or moral correctness:

  • Die Strafe ist gerecht. – The punishment is just.
  • Das ist sozial gerecht.

• billig – cheap (often with a slightly negative or low-quality nuance):

  • Das Handy ist sehr billig. – The phone is very cheap (maybe low-quality).

• preiswert / günstig – good value for money, reasonably priced:

  • Das Angebot ist preiswert. – The offer is good value.

So fair focuses on fairness and reasonableness, especially from the viewpoint of both sides.

How is finden conjugated, and what form is used in this sentence?

In Wir finden das Angebot fair, the verb finden is in the present tense, 1st person plural.

Present tense conjugation of finden:

• ich finde
• du findest
• er/sie/es findet
• wir finden
• ihr findet
• sie/Sie finden

Some other useful forms with this sentence:

• Präteritum (simple past):
  Wir fanden das Angebot fair. – We thought the offer was fair.
• Perfekt (spoken past):
  Wir haben das Angebot fair gefunden. – We have found the offer fair / We thought the offer was fair.

Can finden here also mean literally to find (to discover something), or is it only figurative?

finden can mean both:

1. literal: to find something physically

   • Wir finden das Angebot im Internet. – We find the offer on the internet.

2. figurative: to have an opinion about something

   • Wir finden das Angebot fair. – We think the offer is fair.

In your sentence, it is clearly the figurative meaning, because finden + object + adjective normally expresses an opinion or evaluation:

• Wir finden den Film langweilig. – We find the film boring.
• Ich finde ihn sympathisch. – I find him likeable.