English lets "too" and "all" float to comfortable spots — "I'm going too", "they're all students" — and neither position is fixed. Mandarin gives 也 (yě) "also" and 都 (dōu) "all" no such freedom. They are adverbs, and Chinese adverbs live in one place: after the subject, before the verb. So the English-shaped 我去也 ("I go too") and 我们去都 ("we go all") are both wrong, and even fluent-sounding learners betray themselves by stranding 也 at the end the way English does. The rule is short and absolute: 也 and 都 cling to the verb.
The core error: 也 / 都 at the end
❌ 我去也。
Incorrect — 也 is stranded at the end, English-style.
✅ 我也去。
wǒ yě qù
I'm going too. (informal) — 也 sits between subject 我 and verb 去.
❌ 我喜欢也。
Incorrect — 也 must come before the verb: 我也喜欢.
✅ 我也喜欢。
wǒ yě xǐhuan
I like it too. (informal)
❌ 我们去都。
Incorrect — 都 belongs before the verb, not after: 我们都去.
✅ 我们都去。
wǒmen dōu qù
We're all going. (informal) — 都 sits before 去.
The reframing: 都 looks backward
也 is straightforward — it just means "also" and precedes the verb. 都 has one extra twist that generates its own error: 都 sums up whatever comes before it. It scopes backward over the plural or quantified thing to its left, never forward. That is why 都 can never lead the sentence, and why the group it totals must already have been mentioned:
他们都是学生。
tāmen dōu shì xuéshēng
They are all students. (neutral) — 都 totals 他们, which sits to its left.
这些菜我都喜欢。
zhèxiē cài wǒ dōu xǐhuan
I like all these dishes. (informal) — the object 这些菜 is fronted so 都 can look back on it.
我们每天都跑步。
wǒmen měitiān dōu pǎo bù
We run every day. (neutral) — 都 pairs with 每天, summing up 'each and every day'.
When both appear: 也 before 都
Stack them and the order is fixed — 也 first, 都 second — never the reverse:
我们也都喜欢这首歌。
wǒmen yě dōu xǐhuan zhè shǒu gē
We all like this song too. (informal) — fixed order 也都; 都我 or 都也 would both be wrong.
Placement against negation
也 and 都 also come before 不 / 没, not after — another spot where English word order misleads. The scope difference between 都不 ("none of them") and 不都 ("not all of them") is a topic of its own; here just fix the position:
我也不去了。
wǒ yě bú qù le
I'm not going either (anymore). (informal) — 也 precedes 不.
他们都没来。
tāmen dōu méi lái
None of them came. (neutral) — 都 precedes 没.
For the full behaviour of each adverb, see 也 'also' and the scope of 都.
| English pull | Wrong (English order) | Right (pre-verbal) |
|---|---|---|
| "I'm going too" | ❌ 我去也 | ✅ 我也去 |
| "We all go" | ❌ 我们去都 / 都我们去 | ✅ 我们都去 |
| "We all like it too" | ❌ 我们都也喜欢 | ✅ 我们也都喜欢 |
| "I'm not going either" | ❌ 我不也去 | ✅ 我也不去 |
Common Mistakes
1. End-placement, English-style (the core error). Adverbs never trail the clause.
❌ 你去,我去也。
Incorrect — 也 goes before the verb: 你去,我也去.
✅ 你去,我也去。
nǐ qù, wǒ yě qù
If you go, I'll go too. (informal)
2. 都 in front of the group it totals. 都 looks left, so the group precedes it.
❌ 都我们是中国人。
Incorrect — the group must come first: 我们都是中国人.
3. Reversing the fixed 也都 order. It is always 也 before 都.
❌ 我们都也喜欢。
Incorrect order — say 我们也都喜欢.
4. Putting 也 / 都 after the negator. They precede 不 / 没.
❌ 我不也去。
Incorrect — 也 comes before 不: 我也不去.
✅ 我也不去。
wǒ yě bú qù
I'm not going either. (informal)
Key Takeaways
- 也 and 都 are pre-verbal adverbs: after the subject, before the verb — never sentence-final like English "too".
- 都 scopes backward: the plural / quantified group (or a 每-phrase) must sit to its left — 他们都…, 每天都….
- When both occur, the order is fixed: 也 before 都 (我们也都喜欢).
- 也 and 都 come before 不 / 没, not after (我也不去, 他们都没来).
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- 也 (Also) and Its PlacementHSK 1 — 也 (yě) means 'also / too / either' and clamps to the predicate — after the subject, before the verb or adjective (我也去, 她也很高) — and in negatives it comes before 不/没 (我也不去).
- 都 (All/Both) and Backward ScopeHSK 1 — 都 (dōu) means 'all / both' but sums up what comes BEFORE it — the plural thing must precede 都 (我们都去, 这些都很贵) — and its position relative to 不 flips the meaning (都不 'none' vs 不都 'not all').
- Time / Place After the Verb (*我去北京昨天)HSK 1 — English tacks when and where onto the end ('I went to Beijing yesterday', 'I eat at home'); Chinese puts them BEFORE the verb — 我昨天去北京, 我在家吃饭. Adverbials are pre-verbal in Mandarin.