Breakdown of Den samme regel gælder også her.
Questions & Answers about Den samme regel gælder også her.
Why does the sentence start with den samme?
Because regel is a common-gender noun in Danish, so the demonstrative/article form used here is den.
- en regel = a rule
- reglen = the rule
- den samme regel = the same rule
In Danish, den/det/de is often used before an adjective when the noun is definite in meaning:
- den samme regel = the same rule
- det store hus = the big house
- de nye bøger = the new books
So den samme regel is a normal definite noun phrase meaning the same rule.
Why is it den samme regel and not samme regel?
Both can exist, but they do not mean exactly the same thing in all contexts.
- samme regel can sometimes mean same rule in a more general or less explicitly definite way.
- den samme regel is the standard way to say the same rule when referring to a specific rule already known from the context.
In this sentence, Danish strongly prefers den samme regel because it refers to a specific rule that also applies here.
Why is it regel and not reglen?
Because after den samme, the noun usually stays in its indefinite form.
This is a very common Danish pattern:
- den samme regel
not den samme reglen
Compare:
- den gamle mand = the old man
- det røde æble = the red apple
- de små børn = the small children
So even though the whole phrase is definite in meaning, the noun itself is not marked with the definite ending. The definiteness is already shown by den.
What exactly does samme mean, and does it change form?
Samme means same.
A useful thing to know is that samme does not change form for gender or number the way many other adjectives do. So you get:
- den samme regel
- det samme problem
- de samme regler
That makes it easier to use than many Danish adjectives.
Why is it den and not det?
Because regel is a common-gender noun, and common-gender nouns take den.
Danish has two grammatical genders:
- common gender: usually learned with en
- neuter gender: usually learned with et
Since it is:
- en regel
it becomes:
- den samme regel
If the noun were neuter, you would use det:
- et problem
- det samme problem
What does gælder mean here?
Gælder is the present tense of at gælde, which often means:
- to apply
- to be valid
- to concern
- to hold true
In this sentence, the most natural meaning is applies:
- Den samme regel gælder også her.
- The same rule also applies here.
So gælder is a very useful verb when talking about rules, laws, conditions, and exceptions.
Why is the verb gælder in second position?
Because Danish is a V2 language in main clauses. That means the finite verb normally comes in the second position.
In this sentence:
- Den samme regel = first element
- gælder = second-position verb
- også her = the rest
This is standard Danish word order.
You can see the same pattern in other examples:
- Jeg kommer i morgen.
- Hun arbejder her.
- Den samme regel gælder også her.
If you move another element to the front, the verb still stays second:
- Her gælder den samme regel også.
Why is også placed before her?
Because også usually comes before the word or phrase it is closely connected to, and here it naturally modifies her or the whole idea of here too / also here.
So:
- også her = also here / here too
This is very natural Danish.
A few possible word orders exist, but they can sound slightly different in emphasis:
- Den samme regel gælder også her. = neutral, very natural
- Den samme regel gælder her også. = also possible, with a slightly different rhythm or emphasis
For a learner, også her is an excellent standard pattern to remember.
Could the sentence also be Den samme regel gælder her også?
Yes, that is possible.
Both of these can work:
- Den samme regel gælder også her.
- Den samme regel gælder her også.
The difference is mostly one of emphasis and rhythm.
- også her often highlights here too
- her også can sound a bit more conversational or place the also slightly later
The version you were given is very standard and probably the safest one to copy.
Can her mean both here and in this case?
Yes, depending on context.
Literally, her means here, but in many real sentences it can be understood more broadly as:
- in this place
- in this context
- in this case
So Den samme regel gælder også her could mean:
- the same rule applies in this place too
- the same rule applies in this situation too
The exact interpretation depends on the surrounding context.
How would this sentence change in the plural?
If you wanted to say The same rules also apply here, you would say:
- De samme regler gælder også her.
Notice the changes:
- den → de
- regel → regler
- samme stays samme
- gælder stays gælder
So:
- Den samme regel gælder også her. = singular
- De samme regler gælder også her. = plural
Is samme the same as ens?
Not quite.
For the same, Danish usually uses samme:
- den samme regel = the same rule
Ens more often means identical / alike / similar in appearance or type, not necessarily the exact same one.
For example:
- De har ens jakker. = They have identical/similar jackets.
- De har de samme jakker. = They have the same jackets.
So in your sentence, samme is definitely the right choice.
How is gælder pronounced?
A rough guide is something like GEL-er, but the real Danish pronunciation is softer and more reduced than that.
A few points:
- æ sounds somewhat like the vowel in English bed, though not exactly the same.
- The d in gælder is often very soft, not a strong English d.
- The second syllable is usually weak.
If you want a learner-friendly approximation, you can think:
- gælder ≈ GEL-uh
But it is best to hear it from native audio, because Danish pronunciation is often much less clearly pronounced than the spelling suggests.
Is this a formal sentence or an everyday one?
It works in both formal and everyday Danish.
It is a very natural sentence for:
- explanations
- instructions
- regulations
- discussions
- everyday conversation
For example, a teacher, colleague, official, or friend could all say it.
So this is a useful sentence pattern to learn because it sounds normal in many situations.
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