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Breakdown of Çizelgeyi güncelleyip durmayın; önce kararı verelim.
önce
first
karar vermek
to decide
çizelge
the schedule
güncelleyip durmak
to keep updating
Questions & Answers about Çizelgeyi güncelleyip durmayın; önce kararı verelim.
What does güncelleyip durmayın actually mean?
It literally looks like don’t stop after updating, but in Turkish the pattern V-(y)ip durmak means to keep doing V repeatedly/annoyingly/continually. So güncelleyip durmayın means don’t keep updating (it) or stop constantly updating (it). The negative imperative -mayın addresses a plural or a single person politely.
Isn’t durmak “to stop”? How can durmayın mean “don’t keep doing it”?
Alone, durmak does mean “to stop/stand.” But in the construction V-(y)ip durmak, it functions as an aspectual auxiliary meaning to keep doing V (often with an exasperated tone). So:
- Güncelleyip duruyor. = He keeps updating (it).
- Güncelleyip durmayın. = Don’t keep updating (it).
If you say güncellemeyi durdurmayın, that means the opposite: don’t stop the updating.
What does the -(y)ip part do in güncelleyip?
-(y)ip is a converb (a linker) that connects verbs with the same subject, often forming set aspectual expressions like V-(y)ip durmak. It’s attached to the verb stem with a buffer y when needed for phonetic ease: güncelle- + y + ip → güncelleyip.
Why is it Çizelgeyi (accusative) and not just çizelge?
Because güncellemek is transitive and here the object is specific/definite: the schedule (the one we’re all looking at). In Turkish, definite/specific direct objects take accusative -i.
- Çizelge güncelleyin. = Update a/the schedule (non-specific).
- Çizelgeyi güncelleyin. = Update the schedule (specific one).
In our sentence, Çizelgeyi güncelleyip durmayın refers to a known, specific schedule.
What’s the nuance of kararı verelim versus karar verelim?
Both are correct:
- Karar verelim = Let’s make a decision (indefinite).
- Kararı verelim = Let’s make the decision (the specific/known one).
Using accusative kararı adds definiteness/emphasis, implying there’s a particular decision already on the table.
What does verelim express?
Verelim is the 1st person plural optative/subjunctive, used for suggestions: let’s (do it). With karar vermek (“to make a decision”), karar verelim / kararı verelim means let’s decide / let’s make the decision.
Who is being addressed by durmayın?
-ın/-in/-un/-ün is the 2nd person plural or polite singular imperative ending. So durmayın addresses either:
- more than one person, or
- one person formally/politely. Informal singular would be durma: Güncelleyip durma!
Is güncelleyip durmayın different from saying sürekli güncellemeyin?
They’re very close. Güncelleyip durmayın carries a nuance of irritation/exasperation at repetition. Sürekli güncellemeyin (“don’t update constantly”) is plainer and slightly more neutral. Both work here.
Could I say güncellemeyi durdurmayın?
No, that would mean don’t stop the updating, which is the opposite of what the sentence means. You want either:
- güncellemeyi bırakın/kesin = stop updating (more final), or
- güncelleyip durmayın / sürekli güncellemeyin = don’t keep updating (stop the repeated action).
What does önce do here?
Önce means first/firstly. It sets the temporal priority: first, let’s make the decision. You can move it around: Önce kararı verelim or Kararı önce verelim—both are fine, with slight emphasis changes.
Is the semicolon necessary?
It’s stylistic. A period or a comma could also work:
- Çizelgeyi güncelleyip durmayın. Önce kararı verelim.
- Çizelgeyi güncelleyip durmayın, önce kararı verelim. The semicolon highlights two closely related independent clauses.
What’s the difference between çizelge, takvim, and program?
- Çizelge: schedule/timetable (tasks, slots, deadlines).
- Takvim: calendar (dates/months view).
- Program: program/agenda/plan (a planned sequence of items).
In the context of updates to a work schedule, çizelge fits well.
Can I reorder the clauses?
Yes. Turkish word order is flexible for emphasis. For example:
- Önce kararı verelim; çizelgeyi güncelleyip durmayın.
- Çizelgeyi güncelleyip durmayın; kararı önce verelim. Meaning remains the same; fronting puts emphasis there.
How is durmayın formed morphologically?
- dur- (root: stand/stop)
- -ma- (negative)
- -y- (buffer)
- -ın (2nd person plural/polite imperative) Together: dur-ma-y-ın → durmayın.
How is güncelleyip formed morphologically?
- güncelle- (verb stem: update)
- -y- (buffer)
- -ip (converb linker) Together: güncelle-y-ip → güncelleyip.
Any quick alternative phrasings with similar meaning?
- Çizelgeyi sürekli güncellemeyin; önce kararı verelim.
- Çizelgeyi güncellemeyi bırakın; önce kararı verelim.
- Artık çizelgeyi güncellemeyin; önce kararı verelim.
All convey: stop the repeated updates; decide first.
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